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ROB REINER:
Sam M. Simms.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Uh, one last.
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ROB REINER:
Godard ...
CHARLIE ROSE:
Godard would be good.
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ROBERT HUGHES:
Provincially influential. Enormously, I mean, Duchamp and Picasso are
the opposite poles of almost equal influence upon 20th century art.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Yeah. How so Duchamp?
ROBERT HUGHES:
Because, it's a, you know, it is Duchamp who lies behind such a huge
variety of modern things, from conceptual art to body art, to, to some
degree performance, etc., etc. etc. I mean, Duchamp, is the
guy who, unquestionably, whose cool had far more influence upon the
1960s, '70s, '80s, in America, than the, the, the, apparently
unrecapturable heat of Picasso.
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
What about fashion?
CHARLIE ROSE:
Fashion is, did we consider fashion as having influence?
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
It, I think it does.
SHERYL CROW:
Yes.
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
Where, in the, how about the...Isa Miyaki, and, sort of deconstructing
clothes, and making these statements that are almost artistic, as people
walk down...
ROB REINER:
So who would you put in the fashion category?
NORM PEARLSTINE:
Coco Chanel for...
CHARLIE ROSE:
Coco Chanel for the...
SHERYL CROW:
How about uh...
CHARLIE ROSE:
For the century, Coco Chanel is a vote.
NORM PEARLSTINE:
Yeah.
SHERYL CROW:
Who was the uh, the inventor of the topless bikini...
ROB REINER:
Woody Gurner.
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ROB REINER:
Fabulous!
(LAUGHTER)
CHARLIE ROSE:
Oh, I'd have to vote for Rudy!
SHERYL CROW:
Ozzie Smith.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Rob Ferroni? Yeah who? Ozzie..?
SHERYL CROW:
He designed for Hendrix, and Mick Jagger, before rock and fashion
became...
NORM PEARLSTINE:
And a body of works...
CHARLIE ROSE:
Do we not give fashion as much, uh...
ROB REINER:
Do we have to and (Overlapping voices).
ROBERT HUGHES:
I give it a lot of weight and I think we should, you know, sort of, you
know, in mentioning Chanel, we should also go back to the other thing,
that other quiet pioneer of the 20s, Paul Pioret(?). You know, and,
the, there are quite a few others. As long as we do not have to invite
the sacred name of what' the name of that guy who was shot in Florida,
or, uh...
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Versace.
ROBERT HUGHES:
Versace, which to me is everything I hate about, you know...
CHARLIE ROSE:
About fashion?
ROBERT HUGHES:
About the fashion industry.
CHARLIE ROSE:
But what, what is everything you hate about the fashion industry? The
idea of...?
ROBERT HUGHES:
Showiness, lax cutting, uh, you know, sort a regalia, you know, it's
interior, exterior decoration, rather than architecture, which is what
great fashion should be.
CHARLIE ROSE:
I conclude with this point, uh, I assume that it's...
ROB REINER:
This, look at what he's, look at he's, look at how he's dressed!
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ROB REINER:
Look how he's dressed!
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ROB REINER:
This is an expert!
CHARLIE ROSE:
Yeah.
ROB REINER:
He knows what he's talking about.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Before I, before I...
ROB REINER:
You're wearing an Armani suit. All right?
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ROB REINER:
Look at, you know.
CHARLIE ROSE:
And he's talking about fashion. Before I, I think we did, uh, we didn't
give enough attention to photography.
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
Right.
CHARLIE ROSE:
And who should we mention among the great photographers that had an
impact on our time?
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
How about Avedon, would we...?
CHARLIE ROSE:
Richard Avedon...
ROB REINER:
Penn, Irving Penn.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Irving Penn.
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
Gordon Parks.
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CHARLIE ROSE:
Eisenstadt, from the...
ANNA DEAVERE ROSE Ansel Adams.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Ansel Adams.
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
Gordon Parks.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Okay, Gordon Parks, clearly.
(OFF MIKE)
CHARLIE ROSE:
Robert Cappa, well huge influence in terms of, of
(OFF MIKE)
CHARLIE ROSE:
Walker Evans, see?
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CHARLIE ROSE:
We would have been so much better if we could have talked to all of you
before we started this process.
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CHARLIE ROSE:
I just want to, I think TIME, TIME Maga—, Stielga(?), exactly. Yeah.
TIME Magazine has got to, at the end of this process, choose one person,
as the most influential person within the category of artist and
entertainers, on our culture, in this century. I'm going to go around
this list, one time, to get one name, and I begin with you, Robert
Hughes.
ROBERT HUGHES:
Picasso.
CHARLIE ROSE:
One name. Picasso. One name.
SHERYL CROW:
Dylan.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Dylan.
SHERYL CROW:
Of, of all the arts?
CHARLIE ROSE:
Yes.
SHERYL CROW:
Picasso.
ROB REINER:
We have to pick one person?
CHARLIE ROSE:
Yes, sir. Among all the thing, ideas and the names we have talked
about, this afternoon, one name. The most influential, had the biggest
impact in the 20th century.
ROB REINER:
I have to say Picasso.
NORM PEARLSTINE:
Duke Ellington.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Duke Ellington!
(LAUGHTER)
CHARLIE ROSE:
Why?
NORM PEARLSTINE:
Well, he comes before P, I don't know. Because I resonate more
to music than I do to art.
CHARLIE ROSE:
All right.
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
See, it's so subjective.
CHARLIE ROSE:
Of course it is. But you have to choose.
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
But you're the Editor in Chief.
(LAUGHTER)
ANNA DEAVERE SMITH:
You win!
NORM PEARLSTINE:
Don't worry, I guarantee you, it doesn't cut anything with the people at
TIME.
CHARLIE ROSE:
I have lots of thanks to give, and let me just say, that, first of all,
to you in this audience for coming here, and enjoining this
conversation, I thank you. Secondly...
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CHARLIE ROSE:
Clap for yourself. Secondly, this wonderful place that we are, the
Getty Center, we thank you at the Getty Center for allowing us to come
here.
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CHARLIE ROSE:
Third, TIME Incorporate, TIME Magazine, and CBS News, I want to thank
them.
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CHARLIE ROSE:
All the people who helped put this together, and finally, and most
importantly, this extraordinary panel, I want to thank all of you.
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CHARLIE ROSE:
Thank you for joining us, we'll see you next time.
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